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News Lumix S1II & S1IIe live event party

GeorgeHudetz said:
I like the 77mm filter size;
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I am torn. With 67mm, I would probably buy it if it would be even better (image quality) than my Sigma 28-70/2.8. But with 77mm filter size, I have space problems in my Billingham Hadley small pro bag for a second lens.
 
dirk said:
I am torn. With 67mm, I would probably buy it if it would be even better (image quality) than my Sigma 28-70/2.8. But with 77mm filter size, I have space problems in my Billingham Hadley small pro bag for a second lens.
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I certainly can see that being a problem! For me, I carry 77 & 82mm filters in a backpack.

I think the 24-60 is best thought of as a lens with truly excellent IQ that also is somewhat compact, as opposed to a truly compact lens that has "merely" good/very good IQ.

But I'm still waiting to see some 100% crops (or raw files) that help me understand how "3D" the lens is.
 
I found the "testimony" from the action-shooter-influencers about the accuracy of the AF system interesting and hopeful. I wonder if the S1II has improvements in that area, which would then (hopefully) carry over to the new firmware to the S1RII.

And, it looks like Paul may get his wish - that Pansonic would have some influencers in the sports/action arena that put the new bodies to work in that context.
 
dirk said:
I am torn. With 67mm, I would probably buy it if it would be even better (image quality) than my Sigma 28-70/2.8. But with 77mm filter size, I have space problems in my Billingham Hadley small pro bag for a second lens.
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I have mine packed up for sending back but am not sure yet. Think this one is a better choice for me. But it's heavier than the 28-70, and bigger. (wider). And I need to cough up 150 extra.


@dirk , al your new gear deserves a new bag anyway :cool:
 
RuleOfThirds said:
@dirk , al your new gear deserves a new bag anyway :cool:
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do not start with that, otherwise I will end up with a truck :eek:

I need external limitations... sais my wife... Z04 Wife
 
In the petapixel review, they mention some difficulties with AF tracking in combination with subject detection. In another review this was mentioned too. I put the marker on that spot:

 
Here the review of Gerald Undone. I know some of you do not like his reviews, but I think he is doing a great job in his specific niche to be the nerdiest review nerd among all the review nerds and if someone finds a default on a camera, he is the one. I mean this as a compliment. This is his goal with his reviews and he makes a good job at this.



He is extremely positive on the Lumix S1II. Quote:

"No camera is perfect, but this is the closest one."
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I think that sais it all. It is on the very top of his camera ranking list. The new "king". Enjoy watching.
 
dirk said:
In the petapixel review, they mention some difficulties with AF tracking in combination with subject detection. In another review this was mentioned too. I put the marker on that spot:
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Yes, I've noticed something similar with the RII. IF you get a good subject lock up-front, it tracks well. But if you try to grab something that has just come into the frame (and is moving) it might take a few frames to catch up. And I do think they need to work on distinguishing between the subject & the background (or foreground) better, like the problem he was having photographing the person on the other side of the railing. I've seen that too - the recognition system says it recognizes a bird or a person or whatever, but you end up with something else in focus either in front of or behind the recognized object.
 
dirk said:
In the petapixel review, they mention some difficulties with AF tracking in combination with subject detection. In another review this was mentioned too. I put the marker on that spot:

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That's probably the same issue the S1RII has. Its about how Panasonic has implemented it in the new models. Maybe it's something you only have to get used to, but at first it's difficult because everyone else does it differently, including Panasonic in earlier models.
 
Gerald Undone mentions this too. It seems that you have to deactivate manually the subject detection, otherwise it will not track anymore. Same for all S1II models (S1II, S1IIe, S1RII).
 
After I watched all these youtube reviews, it seems that Panasonic finally succeeded to have a real breakthrough in 2025 with their 3 new cameras S1RII, S1II and S1IIe.

Of course there are complaints, but these are minor or can be easily fixed with FW updates.

I think Panasonic is now on the next level and will get significant more customers, if Trump's tarriffs do not go crazy.

Me personnally I still miss a RF style body. But you can not have it all. I doubt that Lumix will introduce a sub-2000 USD body this year. That would hurt the sales of the other 3 new bodies too much.

Leica should allow more participants in the L-Mount to get even more exotic lenses for this mount. But also light telezooms are missing and a good 28mm FFL. We will see.

Overall I am really happy with this year for L-Mount so far. Great products.
 
dirk said:
Gerald Undone mentions this too. It seems that you have to deactivate manually the subject detection, otherwise it will not track anymore. Same for all S1II models (S1II, S1IIe, S1RII).
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To follow up on this..I can not remember in which video I saw this, but one reviewer put the functionality "subject detection" on a customised button on the front of the camera, between grip and lens mount. Thanks to this, he could switch SD on/off back and forth to regain tracking immediately.
 
dirk said:
To follow up on this..I can not remember in which video I saw this, but one reviewer put the functionality "subject detection" on a customised button on the front of the camera, between grip and lens mount. Thanks to this, he could switch SD on/off back and forth to regain tracking immediately.
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To af detection stuff I’ve set C3 1-3 to different tracking stuff. So I only hit menu again and can switch very fast between modi. On one turn to c3 and choose one of my predefined sets. For people I put a minimum of 1/125 for auto iso, color profile etc. and flip to af-c
Then back to general photography I put it back to Aperture priority and back to af-s. I actually would have preferred an extra position of the autofocus switch to have a “c” position for program controlled. So that a custom setting can set the af mode.
 
As far as I can see it and how different youtubers described it, the product placement of the differet bodies is now as follows:

Lumix S1IIe

2.800€. Improved version of the S5IIx. Same 24MP sensor, but the rest better (body, AF, speed, processor, EVF, tilting screen etc.). More expensive than launch price of S5IIx to be able to offer both at different price levels. Ability to copy SD/CF card directly to SSD in future FW. User shall decide depending on budget and required tech.

Lumix S1II

3.500€. New 24 MP half-stacked sensor. Improved version of S1H and merger with S1. All features are better than with S1H and it is 800 USD cheaper than the S1H at launch. Same body as S1IIe and S1RII. optimized for video, best rolling shutter of all 3. Highspeed 10/70fps (m/e). Biggest buffer of all 3 (ca. 180 images), but not yet a sports camera. Ability to copy SD/CF card directly to SSD in future FW.

Lumix S1RII

3.600€. New BSI (non stacked) 44MP sensor. Replaces the S1R. In almost all features better than S1R and with some on par (i.e. EVF). AF etc. same as with S1II and S1IIe. Image quality for photography better than S1R and S1II. Not just resolution, also colours etc. Highspeed 10/40fps (m/e). Because of sensor and MP, rolling shutter risk with video and electronic shutter. Smaller buffer than S1II ("only" 70 images). Ability to copy SD/CF card directly to SSD in future FW.

The following 4 (old) bodies stay in the product line. Products now on all price levels for different target groups

S9 (street price 1.200€)
S5 (street price 999€),
S5II (street price 1.900€)
S5IIx (street price 2.200€)

Edit: I find the price gap between S5 (street price 999€) and S5II (street price 1.900€) too big. Maybe we'll get a surprise after all? Something for around 1.500€ with EVF?
 
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