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Rumors New Lumix camera(s) on May 13th?

Jonathan-Mac said:
24MP is plenty for me and if I were looking to replace my S5 then I would avoid cameras with a higher resolution - I don't want those extra big files taking up space.
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I totally agree. But my comment was regarding other comments for AF speed in sport. In sport the cropping ability is very inportant.
 
GeorgeHudetz said:
Do you have a reference for this? I did some digging (not much) and saw some comments that sensor readout speed doesn't matter, since the AF system only needs to read the phase detect points.
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I believe it does help, but Sony cameras with slower readout speeds already had excellent autofocus. So I’d say the autofocus algorithms and processor speed are likely more important factors.
 
More specs available for both cameras & lens:

More Panasonic Lumix S1II and S1IIE specs - L mount system camera rumors and news

I just got this additional info with UK pricing: Lumix S1II 15 stops dynamic range (DR Boost On) 24.1/26.8 MP 32 bit float with XLR adapter ARRI Logic with DWF-SFU3A software key New Urban sports AF mode Slot 1 CF Express Type B Slot 2 SD Price: £2899+vat Lumix S1IIE 24.2MP sensor of the S5II
www.l-rumors.com www.l-rumors.com

15 stops with DR-boost is nice, but will an impact on shutterspeed (for video). So I would turn it mostly off.
(Not that I would buy this year de S1ii).
 
DR boost just means it's recording a full 14-bit raw. At least, on the S1RII anyway. But yes, it does slow down the frame rate a little, and cannot be enabled for 40 fps shooting.

<edit> I realize now you are talking about video. 12-bit readout does help reduce rolling shutter, if I recall correctly.
 
GeorgeHudetz said:
DR boost just means it's recording a full 14-bit raw. At least, on the S1RII anyway. ...
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No, that's DR Expansion. And that's what the S1RII does. DR boost is something different. With DR boost it reads one pixel twice simultaneously with a higher and a lower circuit so you gain about one stop of DR. That's what the GH7 does and it's probably the most exciting news about the S1RII, if true.
 
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Quentinquirelino said:
No, that's DR Expansion. And that's what the S1RII does. DR boost is something different. With DR boost it reads one pixel twice simultaneously with a higher and a lower circuit so you gain about one stop of DR. That's what the GH7 does and it's probably the most exciting news about the S1RII, if true.
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Got it, thanks. But I think you mean it being exciting if it's in the S1II, not the S1RII? I searched the S1RII manual for the word "boost" and it only appears in the context of I.S. and Live View.
 
GeorgeHudetz said:
Got it, thanks. But I think you mean it being exciting if it's in the S1II, not the S1RII? I searched the S1RII manual for the word "boost" and it only appears in the context of I.S. and Live View.
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The S1RII doesn't have DR boost. It only has DR Expansion.
Off course it would be exciting if it would be in the S1RII, but it isn't.

Edit: I just realized my typo. I meant S1II, not S1Rii. Sorry.
 
dirk said:
Bird in flight is a tough one. Never tried it.



I think that is a very important point. I can only compare Lumix telezooms with Olympus telezooms on Lumix and Olympus bodies for sports photography. The body did not matter at all. It was the lens.

The Olympus lenses were always faster, snappier than the Lumix lenses. Oly 40-250/2.8 vs. Leica 50-200/4.0, 35-100/2.8 Mkiii, all on G9 (only DFD!) and EM1.3.

I see similar differences now with my S5ii snd the Sigma 100-400 DG DN and Lumix 70-300. Both sre great lenses and both have a fast AF. But not as fast as the old Oly 40-150/2.8 Pro for MFT.

The Sigma 100-400 is "only" a contemporary lens. Not a sport lens. The AF is accordingly as expected and nothing to complain about.

The Oly 40-150/2.8 Pro was designed for sports and wildlife. That shows. There are longer lenses from Oly and Panasonic in MFT, but their AF is slower than the 40-150/2.8.

Atm I do not see any sport telezoom in the L-Mount line up except the new Sigma 300-600mm.
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The Sigma 50-600, 500, and 300-600 all have updated, faster AF motors. Presumably if Panasonic ever gets around to releasing their telezoom that has been on the roadmap for years, it will have fast AF as well. At least, we can hope. Sigma really ought to release updated versions of the 100-400 & 150-600 with the new motors. Now that we have the S1RII & S1II, perhaps they will.

Now, should Panasonic release some fast (and expensive) tele primes to compete with Nikon et al? That doesn't make sense to me until they release a true professional grade sports cam (hires fully stacked sensor, large buffer, a competitive AF system, etc). Of course, the Sigma CEO said he would like to release such a camera, but that was far from a commitment.

You do have to wonder if it makes sense for Panasonic to do battle with Canon/Sony/Nikon at that level. Perhaps it will if they manage to bring newer, younger shooters into L-mount, and then want to give them an eventual path to pro-level bodies. But as I understand it, most existing professionals don't switch systems very often, let alone bodies. So while the upgrade path might make sense eventually, I'm not sure just going for it right now and doing a head-to-head competition in that sub-market makes sense.

Having said all that, if Panasonic made a Z8 competitor in a few years, I could see myself buying it, presuming I end up enjoying sports/wildlife sufficiently.
 
I'll also say that it makes more sense for Sigma to go after the specialty long lenses - rather than Panasonic - since they can amortize the costs over both E mount and L mount (and, arguably Z mount, now that the E2Z adapters are out there). And - surprise - that's what we see happening.
 
Yikes, jumping from 10 to 70 fps. Hopefully they at least give the S1II a 40 fps mode, and both it and the S1RII a 20 fps mode. Although, this has been beaten to death, I suppose.
 
What an insane amount of resolutions/codecs the Lumix camera's have nowerdays for video...

But for the S1ii, it looks like the fullframe sensor equivalent of the GH7.... Very impressive for video... :eek:

I expect very good reviews tomorrow... :cool:
 
Pete_W said:
Yes, I'd like to see that, but the likes of DPR and Gerald Undone are always waiting for Panasonic cameras with baseball bats. Z04 Computer Haukaputt
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Actually the DPR review about the S1Rii was quite positive...

I agree about Gerald... He is to much in hart numbers, but not in really using the camera's (outsite a streaming studio that is)...
 
Markuswelder said:
The moral of the whole story, is buy what's available, right now. Not what your wishes or hopes for the future might be, but what you can pick off the shelf, right now, that works for you.
If you want a bazillion FPS with AF that works for every shot, buy a Sony.
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That's what I did, and regret it. Small primes now are out in fE but merely announced in L. That sucks. I'll be back in S camp soon, but as markus notes "my" lenses aren't in stock yet.

For me, Sony (a7iii) has proved technically decent but creatively boring compared to my s5. All the lenses in all the catalogs cannot cure that ailment.
 
Quentinquirelino said:
No, that's DR Expansion. And that's what the S1RII does. DR boost is something different. With DR boost it reads one pixel twice simultaneously with a higher and a lower circuit so you gain about one stop of DR. That's what the GH7 does and it's probably the most exciting news about the S1RII, if true.
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I don't know how DR Expansion works on the S1RM2, but it does give almost a stop on the top of the V-Log curve, and is a very welcome addition. I use this almost all the time.
 
cascadian said:
That's what I did, and regret it. Small primes now are out in fE but merely announced in L. That sucks. I'll be back in S camp soon, but as markus notes "my" lenses aren't in stock yet.

For me, Sony (a7iii) has proved technically decent but creatively boring compared to my s5. All the lenses in all the catalogs cannot cure that ailment.
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I did the opposite. Bought the Canon EOS M mk1 when they released it with the lovely little EFM 22mm pancake. Expecting/hoping that more small prime lenses were on the way. What a mistake that was. I wish I had jumped ship earlier to m4/3, as the system had all I wanted in a system.
My S5 classic has pleasantly surprised me, I had very modest expectations for it when I bought it, as all it started out as was a fast 50 on a FF body experiment (the purchase price for a brand new one with a kit lens was too close to a second hand DSLR to ignore) And I'm one of the weirdos who actually really likes DFD.
So much so that it (S5) has taken over as my main system for all my wants. I won't say needs, needs implies something that's a vital requirement, cameras and lenses are a long long way from that, for me.
The reason for my post, was that I keep reading so many tales of regret or disappointment, that could have easily been avoided just by being a little bit more rational at the time of purchase. That's all
 
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Something else that's been churning around in my mind.
Who remembers when the Nikon D800 came out, and the furore created by the reviewers about getting sharp shots from the 36MP sensor. I seem to recall much gnashing of teeth regarding this. Claims that you would need perfect hand holding technique at the very least, preferably a tripod to maximise image quality.
And now we have user's wanting to press 44MP into service for action shooting, and on top of that then crop down the results, which will then magnify any imperfections in the results.
Are we being realistic here? Is it really the AF that's the problem? Personally, I think AF is a bit of a whipping boy for anything that doesn't look perfect.
Just throwing it out there
 
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