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What is Lumix working on?

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So finally, the S1 series is updated, fine cameras if you ask me, some of the best options for certain photographers and videographers (not me, I am happy with the S5ii).
But the product guys at the factory are surely not sitting back and reading forums.
What do you think is in the pipeline?
A S9 version with EVF?
A S1Hii in the body of a GH7 to prevent overheating, with the A1 sensor?
A S1Hii in a more boxy format with internal ND filters?
A compact fixed lens camera based on the S9 but with a 35 f1.8 lens?
 
- S1Hii - no doubt it will be next
- Box camera with S1ii or S1Hii sensor

Later but surely not this year:
- S9ii (assuming v1 sold well enough)
- S9x - S9 with EVF. We can dream, freight? :)
- S5iii - I think this one eventually will just be S1ii innards with some cuts (EVF, …?) and maybe then again introducing a new shape. But not holding my breath for even next year on this.

probably/hopefully also busy making new glass. Some people have been complaining a lot about the lack of new pro glass. Personally I want to see more like 24-60 f2.8.
 
The L-mount ecosystem has room for a professional sports/wildlife camera. Not sure I'd buy it, but Sigma is making lenses for such a body. Perhaps it will be Sigma that creates it - their CEO has stated he would like to do that.
 
I hope that somehow Sigma makes an aps-c sized small l-mount camera. They have a lot of aps-c l-mount lenses.

But an S9x with evf sounds nice. Although my next cam will probably be a S1Rii. If / when I outgrow my S5ii…. but for me the 96mp hand held high-res option is just right for me. Don’t need the 44mp all the time.
 
Jan.Wedekind said:
- S1Hii - no doubt it will be next
- Box camera with S1ii or S1Hii sensor

Later but surely not this year:
- S9ii (assuming v1 sold well enough)
- S9x - S9 with EVF. We can dream, freight? :)
- S5iii - I think this one eventually will just be S1ii innards with some cuts (EVF, …?) and maybe then again introducing a new shape. But not holding my breath for even next year on this.

probably/hopefully also busy making new glass. Some people have been complaining a lot about the lack of new pro glass. Personally I want to see more like 24-60 f2.8.
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Exactly what I'm thinking.
S1HII probably next. After that a S5III, S9II and maybe anything like a S9 with EVF and proper grip, I would call it S7. Maybe some boxes versions in-between.

And hopefully more lenses. Small primes, big pro lenses and super telephoto lenses.
 
I don't know Lumix, but Sigma is doing pancake lenses for the L-Mount:

Sigma CEO confirms that pancake lenses for the BF camera are being developed - L mount system camera rumors and news

https://youtu.be/EU922X2GvKg?si=rA-uKkQftk5yGj8v&t=1488 In this interview with PetaPixel, Sigma CEO Yamaki confirmed that they are working on developing pancake lenses for the Sigma BF. He also stated that, although Sigma will not yet be producing an L-mount camera, other companies in the...
www.l-rumors.com www.l-rumors.com
 
I'm wondering about a professional camcorder. Take all the amazing technology they've developed with the new S1 series and apply it and get them in the full frame professional camcorder business, to compete with the Canon C500 or C400. More than a box camera but a full video camera.
 
xaviergut said:
I don't know Lumix, but Sigma is doing pancake lenses for the L-Mount:

Sigma CEO confirms that pancake lenses for the BF camera are being developed - L mount system camera rumors and news

https://youtu.be/EU922X2GvKg?si=rA-uKkQftk5yGj8v&t=1488 In this interview with PetaPixel, Sigma CEO Yamaki confirmed that they are working on developing pancake lenses for the Sigma BF. He also stated that, although Sigma will not yet be producing an L-mount camera, other companies in the...
www.l-rumors.com www.l-rumors.com
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I hadn't seen this - very good to know. Fingers crossed to start seeing these this year.

I am puzzled by this though: He also stated that, although Sigma will not yet be producing an L-mount camera, other companies in the L-mount alliance will be doing so.

Sigma have so far produced three L-mount cameras.
 
Jonathan-Mac said:
He also stated that, although Sigma will not yet be producing an L-mount camera, other companies in the L-mount alliance will be doing so.
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No need for the future tense here - there are already three companies making L-mount cameras; one of them being Sigma ! :cool:
 
It is in a way funny, because in the last PetaPixel podcast they made a metaphor between Lumix and Sigma in relation to lenses: they said that the two brands seem to be mounted in a tandem, and while Sigma is pedaling and making every effort to bring out new lenses, Lumix seems to be getting carried away... While the opposite happens with respect to the cameras, where Lumix has released a new batch of S1s and Sigma seems to be getting carried away ;)
 
pdk42 said:
I hope they are working on an S9 with EVF. And a decent pancake lens or two, like the Nikon Z pancakes.
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Yep, an RF style S9 with 6K EVF, and a tilt LCD would be my dream camera to come thru.
A camera for stills, only. No video.
Maybe, some day, they'll listen to the people, like me.
That'd be a big hit!
I can already see people with me in the first line, dropping their Canikons, Fujis, and Sonys, to line up for this really great camera for photogs :cool:
And, of course, small, but high quality lenses.
 
Miki said:
Yep, an RF style S9 with 6K EVF, and a tilt LCD would be my dream camera to come thru.
A camera for stills, only. No video.
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As long as it has 14-raws and a mechanical shutter, anyway.
Miki said:
Maybe, some day, they'll listen to the people, like me.
That'd be a big hit!
I can already see people with me in the first line, dropping their Canikons, Fujis, and Sonys, to line up for this really great camera for photogs :cool:
And, of course, small, but high quality lenses.
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If you put all the important stuff that's missing from an S9 back in then you've basically got an S5 II, and I imagine it would be the same size and weight therefore pointless.

And the "no video" camera that some photographers want has been shown not to bring any benefit as the sensor needs to be able to output video anyway for the screens. Removing video capabilities would cost more, not less, even apart from the huge number of sales the manufacturer would lose from producing a camera with no video capabilities. If you're not going to use video then just ignore it.
 
Jonathan-Mac said:
If you put all the important stuff that's missing from an S9 back in then you've basically got an S5 II, and I imagine it would be the same size and weight therefore pointless.

And the "no video" camera that some photographers want has been shown not to bring any benefit as the sensor needs to be able to output video anyway for the screens. Removing video capabilities would cost more, not less, even apart from the huge number of sales the manufacturer would lose from producing a camera with no video capabilities. If you're not going to use video then just ignore it.
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I agree, but we shouldn't forget that the S5D or the S5 original are the entry level photo-centric Lumix FF cameras, imho... they just don't have pdaf, but the AF is more than good enough for photo work.
 
Jonathan-Mac said:
If you put all the important stuff that's missing from an S9 back in then you've basically got an S5 II, and I imagine it would be the same size and weight therefore pointless.
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Not at all.

First, other companies have shown it can be done with cameras like the A7C.

Second, the S9 already has IBIS, which is one of the bulkiest bits. Adding a shutter shouldn’t make it any thicker; the sensor-to-mount distance is a part of the L-Mount spec, and other L-Mount cameras fit a shutter in there just fine. You might have to make it wider to fit in an EVF, but that’s it.

Jonathan-Mac said:
And the "no video" camera that some photographers want has been shown not to bring any benefit as the sensor needs to be able to output video anyway for the screens. Removing video capabilities would cost more, not less, even apart from the huge number of sales the manufacturer would lose from producing a camera with no video capabilities. If you're not going to use video then just ignore it.
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Partly true, but only partly.

Basic video functionality is indeed no different than what’s needed to drive a mirrorless screen, so it makes no sense to remove that.

But the extra cooling requirements for extended video recording - heat sinks, fans, etc. - do add weight and bulk. So I can see the point to leaving those out.
 
Travis Butler said:
Not at all.

First, other companies have shown it can be done with cameras like the A7C.

Second, the S9 already has IBIS, which is one of the bulkiest bits. Adding a shutter shouldn’t make it any thicker; the sensor-to-mount distance is a part of the L-Mount spec, and other L-Mount cameras fit a shutter in there just fine. You might have to make it wider to fit in an EVF, but that’s it.


Partly true, but only partly.

Basic video functionality is indeed no different than what’s needed to drive a mirrorless screen, so it makes no sense to remove that.

But the extra cooling requirements for extended video recording - heat sinks, fans, etc. - do add weight and bulk. So I can see the point to leaving those out.
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I agree with all this. The A7C shows that a full-feature FF camera can be made compact. Your point about the need for cooling when shooting video is also very pertinent. Panasonic could make a stills-only camera without the need for so much cooling. But I really can’t see that ever happening. The video market is much bigger than pure photography so it would be crazy to make a camera that dials itself out of the bulk of the market.
 
Travis Butler said:
Not at all.

First, other companies have shown it can be done with cameras like the A7C.

Second, the S9 already has IBIS, which is one of the bulkiest bits. Adding a shutter shouldn’t make it any thicker; the sensor-to-mount distance is a part of the L-Mount spec, and other L-Mount cameras fit a shutter in there just fine. You might have to make it wider to fit in an EVF, but that’s it.


Partly true, but only partly.

Basic video functionality is indeed no different than what’s needed to drive a mirrorless screen, so it makes no sense to remove that.

But the extra cooling requirements for extended video recording - heat sinks, fans, etc. - do add weight and bulk. So I can see the point to leaving those out.
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The A7C uses the Sony E mount, which is 5.5mm narrower than the L mount and has a 2mm shorter flange distance, so even if Panasonic achieved the same scale of miniaturisation as Sony the camera would still have to be bigger.

I doubt there's empty space where a shutter could be in the S9, that space will be filled with something else which would have to be moved elsewhere if a shutter was added.

The S5 has no active cooling and does just fine with keeping things cool enough for video shooting. An add-on fan unit, as Fujifilm have, could be used for those who wanted to shoot extended video, but then most would be better off with the S5 II if they know they want to do that.

Even so, the lost sales from excluding video features would still make the whole thing uneconomical. I'm not much of a video shooter but I've long accepted that a video-less (or poor video) model would be dead in the market, and especially if it came from Panasonic, who are famed for their video features even though their stills features are at least as good as those from the competition.
 
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