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Sigma 100-400mm f/5-6.3 DN DG OS L mount

Today was the day! Unfortunately, I could only shoot handheld so I don't have perfect results but the shop let me try quite a bit, and I wanted to compare the test photos at home before committing to anything. The weight and size difference were not as obvious as I thought, personally, I wouldn't care to be honest.

To my surprise, from what I could tell in the shop...it seemed very similar, apart from the obvious range differences and the aperture ring being the other way around. I expected to see a difference on the camera display but that didn't really happen (at same focal lengths). In the shop, I noticed the OIS in the Sigma seemed a little more shaky compared to the 70-300. With that one, everything is super still when you hold still during focussing (I have fairly steady hands), with the Sigma it was slightly harder to get to that point. But maybe I would have to adjust some settings or practise more with that one? Still very useable though, just seemed that tad better on the 70-300.

Checking at home, the Sigma seemed to need less ISO (e.g. 3200 instead of 4000), despite the same f and SS settings. The Lumix still seemed darker. Maybe it's just where I pointed the camera at (same target) but since it happened in a few photos, also outside...no idea why that might be. I have a clear filter in the front of my 70-300 but in tests it never took any amount of light away and don't think that's why.

The colours come out slightly different but could be matched, I couldn't even say which one I like better. The biggest surprise however, I assumed the Sigma to be a lot sharper but my 70-300 seems to be sharper at almost every photo, even on details, even with that clear filter in the front. Maybe that came from the Sigma OIS and me still being a little more shaky? Or just that particular lens sample? However, the contrast and rendering is very nice on the Sigma and seems a little more real, less soft/flat.

The 2xTC was a nice but also "shocking" surprise. I'd love the 600-800 but then you start with f13! Handheld would need a lot of practise and I don't think any kind of windy conditions or darker rooms / landscapes / evenings would be your friend.

After today I'm wondering myself, would I buy the 100-400 over the 70-300, especially, if I didn't have that one yet? Yes, probably! The extra 100mm and the option of a TC would be the main argument. However, would I get it as well, when I already have the 70-300? Probably not (to keep both). Don't know if I'd sell that one to replace it with the 100-400. Wish I could have tried different samples as some people reported also differences there. But also a bit more happy with the 70-300 now and unsure about the 100-400 in my situation. Let's see. :)
That's very interesting. Thanks for sharing. I'm surprised that the sharpness isn't up to the Panasonic 70-300.
 
That's very interesting. Thanks for sharing. I'm surprised that the sharpness isn't up to the Panasonic 70-300.
As said, I'm not sure what the cause might be because my other Sigma lenses (40mm f1.4 DG HSM & 14-24mm DG DN) are superb and beat any Lumix lens I have in terms of sharpness. I wonder if it was just that particular sample, the OIS / me shaking or if it really is like that. It's also not that it was bad at all, just that in this particular case, the 70-300 was a tad better. :)
 
Today was the day! Unfortunately, I could only shoot handheld so I don't have perfect results but the shop let me try quite a bit, and I wanted to compare the test photos at home before committing to anything. The weight and size difference were not as obvious as I thought, personally, I wouldn't care to be honest.

To my surprise, from what I could tell in the shop...it seemed very similar, apart from the obvious range differences and the aperture ring being the other way around. I expected to see a difference on the camera display but that didn't really happen (at same focal lengths). In the shop, I noticed the OIS in the Sigma seemed a little more shaky compared to the 70-300. With that one, everything is super still when you hold still during focussing (I have fairly steady hands), with the Sigma it was slightly harder to get to that point. But maybe I would have to adjust some settings or practise more with that one? Still very useable though, just seemed that tad better on the 70-300.

Checking at home, the Sigma seemed to need less ISO (e.g. 3200 instead of 4000), despite the same f and SS settings. The Lumix still seemed darker. Maybe it's just where I pointed the camera at (same target) but since it happened in a few photos, also outside...no idea why that might be. I have a clear filter in the front of my 70-300 but in tests it never took any amount of light away and don't think that's why.

The colours come out slightly different but could be matched, I couldn't even say which one I like better. The biggest surprise however, I assumed the Sigma to be a lot sharper but my 70-300 seems to be sharper at almost every photo, even on details, even with that clear filter in the front. Maybe that came from the Sigma OIS and me still being a little more shaky? Or just that particular lens sample? However, the contrast and rendering is very nice on the Sigma and seems a little more real, less soft/flat.

The 2xTC was a nice but also "shocking" surprise. I'd love the 600-800 but then you start with f13! Handheld would need a lot of practise and I don't think any kind of windy conditions or darker rooms / landscapes / evenings would be your friend.

After today I'm wondering myself, would I buy the 100-400 over the 70-300, especially, if I didn't have that one yet? Yes, probably! The extra 100mm and the option of a TC would be the main argument. However, would I get it as well, when I already have the 70-300? Probably not (to keep both). Don't know if I'd sell that one to replace it with the 100-400. Wish I could have tried different samples as some people reported also differences there. But also a bit more happy with the 70-300 now and unsure about the 100-400 in my situation. Let's see. :)
Very informative, thanks!

I was also surprised about the sharpness... Sigma seems to be an extremely sharp lens...
 
It was handheld but I tried my best to keep it steady, focusing on the antennas on the house opposite of the road: 100, 200 and 300mm with both lenses (about a minute lens swap apart). Curious what you think but that's, for me, as real-life as it gets as I mostly shoot handheld.
EDIT: Pin Point focus, Auto-ISO and all with f10 as an average.

The files are in a Wetransfer link, available for 7 days. Don't know if I'm allowed to post that here? Otherwise, please delete or let me know.

https://we.tl/t-AECyNrp0MC
 
It was handheld but I tried my best to keep it steady, focusing on the antennas on the house opposite of the road: 100, 200 and 300mm with both lenses (about a minute lens swap apart). Curious what you think but that's, for me, as real-life as it gets as I mostly shoot handheld.
EDIT: Pin Point focus, Auto-ISO and all with f10 as an average.

The files are in a Wetransfer link, available for 7 days. Don't know if I'm allowed to post that here? Otherwise, please delete or let me know.

https://we.tl/t-AECyNrp0MC
Thanks for the files. I'll go take a look.
 
I took a look at the sample images. The two lenses look very similar at 100 & 200mm. Nothing really to chose between them, and they are both very good. At 300mm, the Panasonic 70-300 is definitely sharper. But, I suspect it might be camera shake. I guess to really know it would need some comparison shots taken on a tripod. What's worth noting is that the Sigma lens has a lower CIPA stabilisation rating than the Panasonic - 4EV vs 5.5EV. I'm somewhat sceptical about CIPA stabilisation ratings, but maybe in this case there is something in it. It's also possible that Sync IS works better on the Panasonic/Panasonic pair.

I have to say that long lens shooting isn't really my thing. Handholding long lenses isn't easy, then of course there's atmospheric haze, shallow DOF etc to contend with.
 
For me, the size of the 100-400 is the show stopper- I have the M43 50-200 F2.8-4, and for half a stop of light better for the Sigma, the difference in size and weight is just not reasonable. Both seem more than sharp enough for 20-24MP.
I will keep waiting for a more compact telephoto.
 
I took a look at the sample images. The two lenses look very similar at 100 & 200mm. Nothing really to chose between them, and they are both very good. At 300mm, the Panasonic 70-300 is definitely sharper. But, I suspect it might be camera shake. I guess to really know it would need some comparison shots taken on a tripod. What's worth noting is that the Sigma lens has a lower CIPA stabilisation rating than the Panasonic - 4EV vs 5.5EV. I'm somewhat sceptical about CIPA stabilisation ratings, but maybe in this case there is something in it. It's also possible that Sync IS works better on the Panasonic/Panasonic pair.

I have to say that long lens shooting isn't really my thing. Handholding long lenses isn't easy, then of course there's atmospheric haze, shallow DOF etc to contend with.
Wish we had the opportunity to try several samples as well! Do you think the colour difference comes from the lens or just the 1min time difference (different clouds etc)? Seemed to be the same with an inside shot I took:

https://we.tl/t-JYUuYLlJ36
 
For me, the size of the 100-400 is the show stopper- I have the M43 50-200 F2.8-4, and for half a stop of light better for the Sigma, the difference in size and weight is just not reasonable. Both seem more than sharp enough for 20-24MP.
I will keep waiting for a more compact telephoto.
I get that! Just not that many options at the moment if you only have an S5. :/
 
Wish we had the opportunity to try several samples as well! Do you think the colour difference comes from the lens or just the 1min time difference (different clouds etc)? Seemed to be the same with an inside shot I took:

https://we.tl/t-JYUuYLlJ36
I suspect it's the lens. There can be quite a lot of colour variation across lenses. All correctable of course in PP.
 
I suspect it's the lens. There can be quite a lot of colour variation across lenses. All correctable of course in PP.
Okay, thanks! I like that fraction warmer and also more towards purple look, will see if I can match that with the Lumix. Thanks!
 
I think with 70-300 vs 100-400, the biggest question is, if you can use the extra long end more than the extra on the wide end. Today I was in a zoo with my wife and kids. I only used the 70-300 and I was happy to have the 70 mm on the short for taking photos of my family, while 300 mm on the long end where enough in almost every case for shooting animals. For more real Wildlife and less family, the 100-400 would be the better choice. But for my use cases I would have to change lenses much more often with the 100-400.
If you do more and intense wildlife you want also something longer than 400. That was my decision to buy the 70-300 as lightweight travel lens for general use and the Sigma 150-600 as specialist for wildlife.

If you can only afford one lens the 100-400 is a great alternative.
 
Told the shop today that I won't be taking the (this) 100-400. Maybe one day I'll get to test another one but, this time, I don't see the difference as big enough to buy the Sigma on top of the 70-300 or replace that one.
 
I have to say that long lens shooting isn't really my thing. Handholding long lenses isn't easy, then of course there's atmospheric haze, shallow DOF etc to contend with.
I know how you feel. I still have my G9 which I kept as I have the DG Vario-Elmar 100-400mm F4-6.3. It is nice but I never took good enough photos with tele. Weather has to be perfect as there is almost always some kind of humidity in the air. Makes my photos grey and grainy. This is when compared to 50mm ;-). So I may end up selling it.

Now I have S5ii with 20-60mm plus the 50mm. Those are the best for my uses. I might need some kind of light weight small tele also but nothing like 100-400mm. Maybe 50-150/200mm. Those pro lenses are good but they seem to be quite heavy. Ideas or do I have to wait?
 
I’m slowly beginning to appreciate my 70-300 more. It’s really very compact for its range and actually it’s pretty sharp over the whole frame from 70-250 mm. Over that there is a little sharpness fall off towards the edges, but it’s not too bad. It’s also got excellent OIS and it doubles as a half decent semi macro lens too.
 
I know how you feel. I still have my G9 which I kept as I have the DG Vario-Elmar 100-400mm F4-6.3. It is nice but I never took good enough photos with tele. Weather has to be perfect as there is almost always some kind of humidity in the air. Makes my photos grey and grainy. This is when compared to 50mm ;-). So I may end up selling it.

Now I have S5ii with 20-60mm plus the 50mm. Those are the best for my uses. I might need some kind of light weight small tele also but nothing like 100-400mm. Maybe 50-150/200mm. Those pro lenses are good but they seem to be quite heavy. Ideas or do I have to wait?
I would have liked to edit my original post but it was not possible(?).

I looked at selection and it seems that Lumix 70-300mm is closest what I need. Lets see.
 
I’m slowly beginning to appreciate my 70-300 more.
You all have convinced me. I have the 70-300 on order, and my 70-200 plus 1.5X teleconverter is going on the block.
 
You all have convinced me. I have the 70-300 on order, and my 70-200 plus 1.5X teleconverter is going on the block.
I received the 70-300 today, and with the few shots I took I really like it. Seems much lighter and more balanced than the 70-200 Plus 1.5X. That is not a walk-around combination, but the 70-300 definitely is. I can see why people say good things about it. I did some macro. :) Did not do any video yet, but I'm not seeing much focus breathing.
 
This was taken today with 24 degrees F outside with my S5m2x.240113-110621-12034-Hummer.jpeg
  • Panasonic - DC-S5M2X
  • 100-400mm F5-6.3 DG DN OS | Contemporary 020
  • 383.0 mm
  • ƒ/6.3
  • 1/1250 sec
  • Pattern
  • Auto exposure
  • -0.3
  • ISO 800
 
I want to add to this Sigma 100-400 DG DN thread a review from Dustin Abbott.



Similar to other reviews, the Sigma zoom seems to be outstanding compared to i.e. Sony G Master with similar range and double the price.

It also seems to be able to deliver on very high MP cameras as the version for Fuji X has proven on a XT 5 (which would be a resolution on a fullframe sensor of around 90MP). You find that review also at Dustin Abbott's youtube channel.

@pdk42

If you normally use your 24-105 a lot, this Sigma would be a perfect match. Dustin Abbot offers also example images on his blog.
 
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